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	<title>Comments on: Claiming Sanctuary in Christ Church Cranbrook</title>
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	<description>My year of Church-hopping</description>
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		<title>By: partialbigots</title>
		<link>http://theawesomeproject.net/2009/11/03/claiming-sanctuary-in-christ-church-cranbrook/#comment-49</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It was the Episcopalians who appointed the homosexual bishop.  But it caused controversy in the Church, and some people agree with it and others don&#039;t.  I&#039;m not sure where Cranbrook falls in that divide.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was the Episcopalians who appointed the homosexual bishop.  But it caused controversy in the Church, and some people agree with it and others don&#8217;t.  I&#8217;m not sure where Cranbrook falls in that divide.</p>
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		<title>By: Shley</title>
		<link>http://theawesomeproject.net/2009/11/03/claiming-sanctuary-in-christ-church-cranbrook/#comment-48</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:00:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So, I&#039;m jealous you wentto Cranbrook. Years after year of standing in the parking lot an I never went in.  Also, go to Kirk in the Woods - quite beautiful in it&#039;s on right. 

As for making ritual more accessible having the potential to lose the message: I think you pointed out an answer when you mentioned the ability to connect superficially at the other churned you attended. Having beensteeped in ritual your whole life can make you more attached to the experience and it can make converts have something to grasp onto in a new faith. However, speaking as someone who&#039;s experienced many a ritual service - ritual is also just one more way to hide your lack of faith. People see you doing the act, but there&#039;s no way to tell if the belief is there too. I think that&#039;s one of the reasons Catholicism is a religion with extreme believers and non-believers going through the motions. But ask me again next semester. I&#039;m taking a class all on ritual.  
Also, wasn&#039;t it the Episicapalian church that allowed homosexual pastors or was it Presbyterian? 
Go Superman and sheep! 
Apologies for any bad grammar or mispellings. Typing this on a phone is difficult.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, I&#8217;m jealous you wentto Cranbrook. Years after year of standing in the parking lot an I never went in.  Also, go to Kirk in the Woods &#8211; quite beautiful in it&#8217;s on right. </p>
<p>As for making ritual more accessible having the potential to lose the message: I think you pointed out an answer when you mentioned the ability to connect superficially at the other churned you attended. Having beensteeped in ritual your whole life can make you more attached to the experience and it can make converts have something to grasp onto in a new faith. However, speaking as someone who&#8217;s experienced many a ritual service &#8211; ritual is also just one more way to hide your lack of faith. People see you doing the act, but there&#8217;s no way to tell if the belief is there too. I think that&#8217;s one of the reasons Catholicism is a religion with extreme believers and non-believers going through the motions. But ask me again next semester. I&#8217;m taking a class all on ritual.<br />
Also, wasn&#8217;t it the Episicapalian church that allowed homosexual pastors or was it Presbyterian?<br />
Go Superman and sheep!<br />
Apologies for any bad grammar or mispellings. Typing this on a phone is difficult.</p>
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		<title>By: Led Zeppelin and The Episcopalian Church &#171; The Awesome God Project™®©</title>
		<link>http://theawesomeproject.net/2009/11/03/claiming-sanctuary-in-christ-church-cranbrook/#comment-45</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Led Zeppelin and The Episcopalian Church &#171; The Awesome God Project™®©]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] in while there was singing going on so my awkward search to find Drew wasn’t noticed. I must say, he wasn’t lying when he said the church was beautiful enough to make me want to immediately convert. The sanctuary [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] in while there was singing going on so my awkward search to find Drew wasn’t noticed. I must say, he wasn’t lying when he said the church was beautiful enough to make me want to immediately convert. The sanctuary [...]</p>
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		<title>By: whythulc</title>
		<link>http://theawesomeproject.net/2009/11/03/claiming-sanctuary-in-christ-church-cranbrook/#comment-43</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 18:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;But, even with the playbook, the nature of the sermon is hard to wrap yourself around.  In a church like this, I think community is more important than at a megachurch, because at a more contemporary sermon you can get engaged on a superficial level.  At a sermon heavily steeped in rituals and repetition you need something else allowing you to connect to the Church.&quot;

That&#039;s a really interesting point. When people are simply spoon-fed through the lesson, people feel like they got their happy does of church and can leave. Something more ritual base forces people to either never connect, or talk about it and find some other way to be included.

When I went to First Baptist Church of Rochester, I got really frustrated because my youth pastor always dumbed things down. All the lessons were pure fluff and I absolutely HATED it. (HATE.) The few times I tried to address the problem and actually talk to him about it, he always said that there were new people coming into the group and he didn&#039;t want to talk over their heads. I think unless you&#039;re going to talk about dispensationalism or other highly technical theological ideas, people tend to be hungrier than they are given credit for.

&quot;Cranbrook, on first impression, seems to strive for a transparent process in all elements of their operation.&quot;

Transparency! I think you just articulated something that has been missing in the average church for a very long time. If a church isn&#039;t transparent, it can be such a turn off because if anyone knows what actually goes on in the elder meetings or how they are really spending their budget, etc., it&#039;s like going into a church and thinking &quot;This is such a well-built church! This building is amazing!&quot; and the person next to saying &quot;Um, you know the floorboards underneath here are going to collapse any minute, right?&quot;

Cranbrook sounds like an interesting place. I&#039;m excited to go.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But, even with the playbook, the nature of the sermon is hard to wrap yourself around.  In a church like this, I think community is more important than at a megachurch, because at a more contemporary sermon you can get engaged on a superficial level.  At a sermon heavily steeped in rituals and repetition you need something else allowing you to connect to the Church.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a really interesting point. When people are simply spoon-fed through the lesson, people feel like they got their happy does of church and can leave. Something more ritual base forces people to either never connect, or talk about it and find some other way to be included.</p>
<p>When I went to First Baptist Church of Rochester, I got really frustrated because my youth pastor always dumbed things down. All the lessons were pure fluff and I absolutely HATED it. (HATE.) The few times I tried to address the problem and actually talk to him about it, he always said that there were new people coming into the group and he didn&#8217;t want to talk over their heads. I think unless you&#8217;re going to talk about dispensationalism or other highly technical theological ideas, people tend to be hungrier than they are given credit for.</p>
<p>&#8220;Cranbrook, on first impression, seems to strive for a transparent process in all elements of their operation.&#8221;</p>
<p>Transparency! I think you just articulated something that has been missing in the average church for a very long time. If a church isn&#8217;t transparent, it can be such a turn off because if anyone knows what actually goes on in the elder meetings or how they are really spending their budget, etc., it&#8217;s like going into a church and thinking &#8220;This is such a well-built church! This building is amazing!&#8221; and the person next to saying &#8220;Um, you know the floorboards underneath here are going to collapse any minute, right?&#8221;</p>
<p>Cranbrook sounds like an interesting place. I&#8217;m excited to go.</p>
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		<title>By: partialbigots</title>
		<link>http://theawesomeproject.net/2009/11/03/claiming-sanctuary-in-christ-church-cranbrook/#comment-42</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[partialbigots]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 00:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, being that my Mom is Catholic I wasn&#039;t totally loss, I know just enough to not to look totally out of place.  I wasn&#039;t 100% sure on their Eucharistic views (and from my research, neither are the Episcopalians) so I opted out.  I know I can go up and cross my hands and just get a blessing, but that seems weird to me.  Of course, some people look at me funny when I skip Communion, but I&#039;ll save that story for later.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, being that my Mom is Catholic I wasn&#8217;t totally loss, I know just enough to not to look totally out of place.  I wasn&#8217;t 100% sure on their Eucharistic views (and from my research, neither are the Episcopalians) so I opted out.  I know I can go up and cross my hands and just get a blessing, but that seems weird to me.  Of course, some people look at me funny when I skip Communion, but I&#8217;ll save that story for later.</p>
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		<title>By: ltltony</title>
		<link>http://theawesomeproject.net/2009/11/03/claiming-sanctuary-in-christ-church-cranbrook/#comment-41</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ltltony]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The &quot;really awkward summer&quot; line may be my favorite line from your blog so far. Very interesting read. I have really enjoyed all of the Anglican/Episcopal churches I have been too. Growing up Catholic definitely helped with some of the rituals.

I once went to a small Anglican church with a group of evangelical college friends. Being fairly denominationaly mobile I assumed most people understood Eucharistic differences among denominations and didn&#039;t even consider discussing it with them. That was until they followed me up for communion. When we got back to the pew and I explained Anglican Eucharistic theology (39 Articles) to them, two almost passed out and one didn&#039;t believe me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;really awkward summer&#8221; line may be my favorite line from your blog so far. Very interesting read. I have really enjoyed all of the Anglican/Episcopal churches I have been too. Growing up Catholic definitely helped with some of the rituals.</p>
<p>I once went to a small Anglican church with a group of evangelical college friends. Being fairly denominationaly mobile I assumed most people understood Eucharistic differences among denominations and didn&#8217;t even consider discussing it with them. That was until they followed me up for communion. When we got back to the pew and I explained Anglican Eucharistic theology (39 Articles) to them, two almost passed out and one didn&#8217;t believe me.</p>
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